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This time we’re joined by Jess Ison, editor of the soon-to-be released book To the Exclusion Of All Others: Queers Questioning Gay Marriage. We’re also joined by Stevie from Team Earthling. Jess discusses the book and how she came to this position of being pro-queer but anti-same sex (and other) marriage. This includes some groups being left out of the same-sex marriage campaign, such as trans people. Brazil and Mexico both have same-sex marriage but have the most reported killings of trans people. Similarly, England and Wales have same-sex marriage and have seen a drop in homophobic crime but a rise in transphobic crime. We also discuss: the relationship between cops and queer people, the widespread support for same-sex marriage in the queer community but the growing critique from within the queer movement, Julia Gillard’s new position on same-sex marriage now she’s out of office, and the article ‘Marriage Will Never Set Us Free’ by Dean Spade & Craig Willse. We also bring you more from the ICAS conference – we play some of Curtis Redd’s talk ‘Bodies, Beats and Bashing: History Telling of Homophobic Violence’. This talk critiques the This Is Oz campaign and also makes some links between the oppression of queer people and non-human animals. You can listen to this entire talk with a Q and A with Curtis and Jess here.

You can join the Facebook group To the Exclusion of all Others and/or follow @ToTheExclusion on Twitter to be notified when the book is out. You can find more from Jess at If you want to hear more about the ICAS conference, check out our crossover episode with Team Earthling: Bonus episode – Team Earthling and Progressive Podcast Australia ICAS Reflection. If you’d like to hear our views on marriage, check out our 28th episode: Beyond Same-Sex Marriage.

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Q and A with Curtis Redd and Jess Ison, ‘Tennesse’ by Toby Foster, Julia Gillard on Big Ideas, Curtis Redd ‘Bodies, Beats and Bashing: History Telling of Homophobic Violence’, Daniel Versus the World from Queer Punx Podcast ‘Love Your Rage, Not Your Cage (live)‘, Q and A with Curtis Redd and Jess Ison.

You can listen to a short (8 minute) version of this episode, here: Queer Critiques of Same-Sex MarriageYou can subscribe to these short versions of our episodes through Omny.

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