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  1. narciso2b says:

    Hi there,

    Listening to this show, I’ve gotta interested in that discussion around violence and State and that quite interesting.

    But, Before I go, I just want to make up a few disclaimers:

    First of all, it’s that I’ll make points only based on that discussion. Meaning, you might be are aware of things that I’m pointing out, I’m sorry if so that is the case.

    Secondly, I’m a software developer, which means I don’t consider myself a specialist in that subject. However, I’m basing my text here in the Marxist lens and reading that I’m gonna make the references clear late.

    Kicking off, Slavoj Zizek has an interesting book around Violence that, among many things, discuss the role of the violence and the monopoly by the State of that – that is not exactly a Marxist discussion itself, if I’m not mistaken, it’s more of Max Weber. Anyway, the main point here is that we can call what State does as violence, no matter if we consider that violence needed or not because, in the end, we are locking a human being up in a cage. For this, we have to remove the “quality” of the word *violence* of been a bad thing.

    My last point is, there is also a bit of literature discussing the relationship between Legal, State and even Capitalism. A few days back, one data about Australia got my attention, which is the number of prisoners/100k people, you can find on twitter of spectator index:

    Proportionally speaking, Australia has a great number of prisoners. Furthermore, it’s even bigger than countries like Saudi Arabia and China. When I see those kinds of numbers, I always get myself sceptical about systems or at least makes me think: Why? However, I don’t know much about Australia legal system, which means that my partial vision is not that good to do a good analysis.

    Furthermore, Evgeny Pashukanis – Katie might know him since he was a legal person – made a really interesting analysis showing up how legal systems instead of help promote justice, it tends to promote more inequality. Moreover, he shows the legal is a needed form (or shape) to keep inequality and coerce people. At times like when we are living (thinking about Bolsonaro in Brazil, Matteo Salvini in Italy, Donald Trump in the USA, Andrzej Duda in Poland, Viktor Orbán in Hungary, etc), legal pretty much works to guarantee the privileges for that 2-5% that you mentioned. Although I’ve watched a lot of videos about Pashukanis, I have to be clear that I haven’t read his books.

    I know, maybe you were been very specific to Australia on that, but even about Australia, I’m sceptical when I see those numbers and those analyses. Nonetheless, it would be interesting listening to you discussing my uncertainties on Australia legal system.

    • Thanks so much for the feedback and glad you enjoyed the discussion. I wasn’t thinking we’d go down that path of discussing those topics on that show but I also find them really interesting topics that deserve further analysis.
      Rather than reply to your points here, my plan is to address this feedback on the show over two episodes, one on violence and the state, and the other on prisons and prison abolition.
      Unfortunately we haven’t managed to do the show much lately, so I’m not sure when we’ll get to those shows, but will definitely get to them as soon as we can!
      Thanks again and I look forward to discussing this further on the show in the hopefully not too distant future,

      • Thanks again for this feedback, we have FINALLY got around to addressing this feedback on our latest episode, available in both audio and video form:

        This episode covers prisons and prison abolition, and as promised, me and Katie will also eventually get onto doing another episode covering the rest of your feedback and will look at the broader question of violence and the state.


        • narciso2b says:

          Thank you so much, Nick and Katie, I will get to hear that soon.

          Cheers, Narciso.

          • No worries Narciso, will see how we go with the second episode on these issues, will be at least a few weeks off coz I have to take some time out to so some marking. Better late then never I guess 🙂 Nick

            • narciso2b says:

              Nice show folks,

              Not to worry about timing, you folks are not living only to make podcasts. So, at the end of the day, you have to pay your bills.

              I’m far from being a specialist, I have more to hear from people like you than to speak. But, this is an important topic for me, since this struggle is a relevant one in my country, too. Angela Davis, for instance, is a remarkable influence for prison abolitionists in Brazil.

              As a good connection with this topic, I would like to hear from you regarding critic of the right and State in Capitalism. I see this as very connected to this matter, given that these ways of organising prisons, punishment, and the right itself are highly related to this historical moment that we are living in, therefore the root of capitalism and unfoldings of its base forms.

              Unfortunately, I have no names in Australia to refer. However, I guess you might know much more them myself about this.

              Lastly, sorry for my terrible and not so nice English. Although Grammarly helps a lot, I still sharpening it.

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